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Post by Jeff on Aug 9, 2016 15:52:03 GMT -5
Time Flies, thanks for everyone putting in there 2-5 cents EVERYONE has made there input counted ! #1 Fantrax will help organize the league better & gives us lots of options going forward (pro & con haha) #2 Reminder my main goal for this league so many years ago was to create some fun, talk hockey, keeping engage with buddies & doing some "fantasy-geek" arm-chair GM'ing (where not going to the show so we don't need to mirror everything from the NHL). Please keep that in mind. 1. Draft Date Sept. 11th or 18th Coach's we will make contact with Ty, Jase, Goat, Tuna and *Chad 18th - 9 pers- mur, hendu 11th - 8 pers -rack, kooch, Omally (late arrival) *mark, jes, melch, jv, roach and cam = presently both dates
2. Scoring Format 2016-17 Season - VOTE -Deadline Aug.17th 12pm !!Can be revaluate but Commish office would really like this to be settled for the foreseeable future.
Description of choices * GM's with FANTRAX we can do weigh system for all our categories this should help with the debate on scoring system, just need to pick format !1. ROTO - status quo - NEW weighted system so example: G,A,PIM,PPP,SHP,SOG = 2 & WINS,G.A.A,+/- =1 Winner per same Top 3 $$ & Entry Picks Rd 4 , bottom 5 Lottery Entry 2. H2H - all season (again offered by Fantrax -we can set scoring format categories via point system ) Playoffs to finish Season Winner $$, Runner-Up $, Consolation Winner $, Entry Picks Rd 4 3. Hybrid Roto till Mid-Jan then switch to H2H Format remainder of the season First Place @ Mid-Jan Date = $$ & Then theres some options here; a) Elite 8 (1-8)= Winner $$ &/or Consolation Side Winner/Runner Up $ ,Lottery Bottom Bowl(9-16)= Winner Wins Extra Lottery Balls(3) with 9-16 each getting one (1) ball or b) All 16 Teams (1v16, etc) weekly or bi-weekly Breakdown to Championship & Consolation Side Champ $$, Runner Up $, Consolation Lottery Balls x3 & Entry Pick Rd 4's Bottom 5 in Roto get one ball in Lottery
And the Rest coming in 2017-18 Season the tinkers (THE 10TH YEAR) - Keeper Limit dropping to (12) Yearly
- Scoring System - addition or subtract, Franchise Tag-Cap
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Post by mur on Aug 9, 2016 15:54:29 GMT -5
thanks for doing what you do virgs.
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Post by grasser on Aug 9, 2016 17:17:34 GMT -5
Agreed. You've done well with this break down. With the hybrid system - for the Roto portion we're keeping exactly like last season right? Every category is worth the same, unlike the potential of the new Roto system?
Just making sure here.
Don't want to push things too much here as we just want to get going but can we just vote/implement that keepers will drop to 12 next year. That way it's set and guys can trade/work accordingly at this year's deadline? Is anyone against dropping to 12?
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Post by rack55 on Aug 9, 2016 19:58:09 GMT -5
I haven't heard anyone contend the idea of dropping the keepers to 12 for 2017, but will that be a permanent change or every 2-3 seasons?
Also, whatever overall system we decide to go to this year, let's call it a 1 year trial and hold a vote at the end of the year to keep it, go back to status quo (if that's not what we stick with) or change it again.
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Post by rack55 on Aug 9, 2016 20:00:30 GMT -5
Also just want to confirm that I'm reading this correctly - we are voting for the format then deciding later what we actually do? Ie, looks like option 1 could be to keep it as is or to keep it as is but with lower value on goalies. If I vote for that, what am I actually voting for?
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Post by grasser on Aug 10, 2016 1:06:47 GMT -5
To me it reads as there's no option to keep it as status quo at all. The majority want to see changes so a vote for option 1 is it remains Roto all year but the goalie stats are not worth as much as player stats.
If you're voting option 3 and hybrid and it wins then after we do another vote on if it is elite 8 and bottom 8 or if we do 1v16 etc and then break down to two sides after the first round
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Post by rack55 on Aug 10, 2016 8:33:37 GMT -5
Can we have the option of adding elite 8 + lottery tourney as side pools to #1? Then we address a major stat imbalance but lessening Goalie values, and also address the lottery issue and incentive for all teams to participate all year long.
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Post by grasser on Aug 11, 2016 1:52:07 GMT -5
Can we have the option of adding elite 8 + lottery tourney as side pools to #1? Then we address a major stat imbalance but lessening Goalie values, and also address the lottery issue and incentive for all teams to participate all year long. This would be my vote without lessening the goalie stats. Had a chat with Mur tonight (not saying he agreed to everything but it was discussed as a could-be common ground. He can voice his own opinion if he wants/disagrees haha) Just a little tweak and added component to what has basically been said but anyway... What if we do the roto as is and it lasts until the very end, and come Mid Jan we then hit a sweet 16 style but instead of 1v16 2v15 etc we randomize who faces who in round 1? The winners of round 1 go on to battle for the extra cash and pick. The losers go into the lottery bracket. In round 2, on both sides, we then use our seed in the roto pool to decide who faces who. Winners advance to round 3. Losers aren't done but battle the other losers for a better spot in the lottery draft. If that break down doesn't last long enough, make the championship rounds for the side cash and for the first overall pick last two weeks. The randomizing of it stops anyone from tanking if they wanted to go after the draft lottery instead of the cash as who knows who you'll face. This idea makes the most sense to me. Even those who don't participate all year/are stuck at the bottom could still have a shot at winning something at least. |
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Post by cam on Aug 11, 2016 6:11:42 GMT -5
Interesting... I like this sort of compromise.
Question... Under this system could a team win a championship on the roto side and also win the 1st entry in H2H?
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Post by grasser on Aug 11, 2016 10:08:30 GMT -5
Interesting... I like this sort of compromise. Question... Under this system could a team win a championship on the roto side and also win the 1st entry in H2H? I suppose you could, yes. Which would be a down side of it in some people's eyes. I would bet that it wouldn't happen all that often though. But if that was going make or break using the format - can we just put a rule un stating if the winner of the Roto wins the lottery side the best he can draft is like 3rd or 5th or something? Or what if the whole tournament gets lottery ball weighted? Winner of the lottery side gets 16 balls, second place on lottery side gets 15, consolation winner on lottery side gets 14, so on and so on down to the elite 8 winner getting just one ball? I don't know fellas - trying to come up with a middle ground here haha. |
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Post by cam on Aug 11, 2016 11:42:30 GMT -5
I'd like this type of system. I would prefer 1-6 go to elite 8. 11-16 play for draft order. 7-10 go to a draw for tournament placement. Would be on board with either.
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Post by mur on Aug 11, 2016 11:48:42 GMT -5
Just going to pitch an idea. Melch said this was brought up in his group.
Anyways. Lower keepers to 12 or even 10 on even years 15 on odd years. Only one goaltender allowed as a keeper ( and prospects). It would make the first few rounds of the ufa more meaningful. It would also take the price tag for goalies down (possibly) seeing as a better chunk of goalies are available every year.
Leave all other stats the same for the Roto.
Obviously it isn't fair to start this for the upcoming season. But have it start as of 2017/2018.
Ufa picks would mean more and guys would have a shot to flip their team in one year based off of a couple picks.
As for the playoffs. Run some sort of head to head for the last half of the year where guys have to pick 3 forwards 2 d 1 goalie and a prospect. Just once a week you log on to say who your team is. The Roto still continues to determine the league winners. Total wins loss record recorded with the rankings determining lottery ball for the entry draft. That way everyone has a shot at it. Also a bit of coin to the winner of the tournament. If you fail to insert a team say three times your team loses their entry picks for the next year. Something as punishment.
I haven't fully read all the ideas pitched for it so I'm assuming this is a variation or numerous ideas.
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Post by markb on Aug 11, 2016 12:24:13 GMT -5
I like the idea of lowering the keepers to 12 but don't touch the goalies. We changed the goalie rule once already to start 1. Leave it alone
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Post by melcher on Aug 11, 2016 18:01:46 GMT -5
It would hurt my team, but it would help the draft and other GMs.
If you don't sell the farm for a goalie or find a horseshoe in your ass, it is tough to get a top goalie. Keeping 1 goalie would solve that. There would still be trade value for goalies, but maybe lessen the asking price...
I have Mrazek and Crawford to keep. To keep only one is a kick in the pants, but the UFA draft would be loaded with talent. I never cared about the UFA draft till a year or 2 ago. This would bring way more attention and up the level of talent, especially lowering the keepers to 12 as well.
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Post by Jeff on Aug 15, 2016 16:59:19 GMT -5
COMMISH JV his directorship will finalize how we will proceed going forward in the coming days and that will be it !!
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