rack55
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Post by rack55 on Aug 7, 2016 12:50:58 GMT -5
Also I disagree with removing stats like shp and so. Yes they're rare but that's what makes them awesome, you pick up a shutty or a shorty and all of a sudden you could jump 2-3 spots in the standings overnight. This is exciting, while grinding out 400 assists over 6 months is not.
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Post by coach on Aug 7, 2016 13:48:06 GMT -5
In my opinon, There are 2 main issues,
The switch to Fantrax solves the first issue of the amount of work required.
The 2nd issue and the bigger issue in my eyes is the fact that 90% of the league is completely out of the running by Christmas which makes the 2nd half of the season very uninteresting.
HYBRID OPTION
The biggest fix I'd like to see is a switch in format to the HYBRID OPTION. Roto till a set date. Winner at that point gets paid out half the money, Elite 8 begins, and the battle for the Shit bowl begins (9-16) with the winner receiving more balls in the lottery and the 16th place team receiving some sort of penalty. i.e. pays for a case of beer at the next years draft.
I don't like the idea of a side pool. I agree with D nails that things need to be made easier. We have a hard enough time having GM's follow and make changes to one team, now we are asking for a second teams worth of roster moves, etc. More people will be interested in winning money and a trophy than a draft pick.
I think tinkering with these others rules won't really solve anything. The fact the league is stall at the midway point is the issue that needs to be address.
8-12 teams with a shot at winning the title will improve interest right up to the playoff date and trade deadline. If we don't make fundamental changes to the league, I think we will be looking for new GM's year after year.
Lets Make the SFHL Great Again.
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Post by grasser on Aug 7, 2016 14:32:45 GMT -5
Definitely disagree on goalies. We've done enough over the years to take their value down. From losing categories to adding more player categories and then taking it down to 1 starter over 2. Some of us put the time and effort in to make sure our goaltending is secure and to have a shot at winning. I've given up probably 8-10 draft picks and a handful of prospects to get two starting goalies and used a first entry on a goalie to get a young star/back up if needed.
I can understand what you're saying but if you have a shot and your goalie gets hurt - we all have a plethora of talent on our teams to trade some assets to get one and continue the battle that year. You could always trade the goalie later if it doesn't work out and get assets back. Or keep them for the following year and be stacked.
It's 4 categories out of what, 11? No more goalie changes.
Also, things need to be made easier? What's so difficult here? Outside of sorting your cap - the only hard part is getting responses from trade partners. So you have to post a signing or roster move - good grief fellas. I realize finding a bit of time to do it with families/kids is way harder for you guys than it is for someone like myself but it takes minutes. Less than. Spend 5 mins to get all your stuff in order on your team page and then it's just copy and pasting names caps and a quick addition/subtraction to get your cap and your done.
I guess with Fantrax you won't even have to do any posting anymore? We're not the same as the average pool. I'm sure little Jimmy down the street runs a pool where you can set your lines and forget about it. We all signed up knowing this was more serious than that.
*Disclaimer- while I stand by this, I am severely hungover from a bachelor party weekend. Reader's discretion is advised.
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Post by drail on Aug 7, 2016 15:33:10 GMT -5
Also I disagree with removing stats like shp and so. Yes they're rare but that's what makes them awesome, you pick up a shutty or a shorty and all of a sudden you could jump 2-3 spots in the standings overnight. This is exciting, while grinding out 400 assists over 6 months is not. Grinding out 600 assists is not exciting but it's easy to trade and research for, SHP and SO are not. this is the whole problem with the pool right now.... If i'm last place in SO and SHP at Christmas, I have very little hope to win the pool so why even bother wasting my time trying. If Fantrax can limit the point value for SHP i'd be alright with it staying too. The bottom line is that every team needs to have the capability to trade and improve their team in every stat category or these issues won't stop, regardless if the stat is exciting when you jump from 6th to 4th overnight. |
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rack55
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Post by rack55 on Aug 7, 2016 20:58:25 GMT -5
Alright I think what we need to do here is move on from the small stuff... We all have our thoughts and opinions on stat categories, keeper limits, roster composition etc etc but really that's not the issue here. Dropping SHP isn't gonna get guys to update their lineup and reducing the keeper limit isn't gonna get guys to respond to your trade offer.
We all agree that we want to figure out a way to get 16 guys on board all season long, and it seems like we all agree that some sort of playoffs or whatever is the way to get at least 10-12 teams to have a chance at winning, hopefully resulting in some better involvement over the season. Let's look at this and come up with a solution.
Again, it's all moot if it's just the same guys talking here, we really need to hear from the gms that we're trying to get more involved.
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Post by cam on Aug 7, 2016 21:15:59 GMT -5
Can we set a date when any changes will be announced? Then start the offseason.
I'm not sure we are going to hear from everyone this time of year.
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Post by rack55 on Aug 7, 2016 21:50:21 GMT -5
I don't think any major changes will be happening until 17/18 anyway
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Post by mur on Aug 8, 2016 12:09:46 GMT -5
In my opinon, There are 2 main issues, The switch to Fantrax solves the first issue of the amount of work required. The 2nd issue and the bigger issue in my eyes is the fact that 90% of the league is completely out of the running by Christmas which makes the 2nd half of the season very uninteresting. HYBRID OPTIONThe biggest fix I'd like to see is a switch in format to the HYBRID OPTION. Roto till a set date. Winner at that point gets paid out half the money, Elite 8 begins, and the battle for the Shit bowl begins (9-16) with the winner receiving more balls in the lottery and the 16th place team receiving some sort of penalty. i.e. pays for a case of beer at the next years draft. I don't like the idea of a side pool. I agree with D nails that things need to be made easier. We have a hard enough time having GM's follow and make changes to one team, now we are asking for a second teams worth of roster moves, etc. More people will be interested in winning money and a trophy than a draft pick. I think tinkering with these others rules won't really solve anything. The fact the league is stall at the midway point is the issue that needs to be address. 8-12 teams with a shot at winning the title will improve interest right up to the playoff date and trade deadline. If we don't make fundamental changes to the league, I think we will be looking for new GM's year after year. Lets Make the SFHL Great Again. I kind of like the hybrid option. I was saying to Hendo at work yesterday that I really enjoyed the elite 8. It gave my less talented team a shot at winning against teams like Beaton, Virgo and Grass's team. Something different as you could pull off a squeaker of a win. I pulled off wins in 2 of those 3 matchups. This way we keep the roto, the best team is usually decided by Christmas time anyways, and then there's still something to play for. I dont know if it will keep guys interested but who knows really. |
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Post by markb on Aug 8, 2016 13:10:11 GMT -5
I agree with Rack that we are hitting the same small points over and over again. We need to hear from the GMs we are trying to improve the league for to keep them interested. If there aren't going to be any major changes now, let's just keep a good chat open through out the year about these items and track things as we go along and prepare for major or minor changes for the 10th anniversary of the league.
let's focus on getting who is back this season and getting the pre season underway as we are about a month away from drafting and things creep up quickly!
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Post by mur on Aug 9, 2016 14:03:02 GMT -5
The little things are what will be the death of the league though. Not living in Port you guys don't hear the group talking about change. The guys at the top don't want change. And rightfully so. Why would they when their teams are always in the top 5.
If something doesn't change it won't just be one or two teams that drop out. You're looking at multiple teams talking about it. You just don't hear it not living around here. Guys just aren't having as much fun as once before so something needs to happen.
Goalies are an issue. One good goalie can win the league or cost you eg coachs team last year. It's weighted terribly. That doesn't happen in the offensive category. Having Crosby only. Or Kane. Or whoever isn't going to win the league alone. The rest of your team has to also be performing. Yet you could have the best goalie in the league and win it based on that with a middle of the pack team.
The main issue though being that the league is decided for the most part by December. There's still 4 months left at that point and by then half the league stops giving a flying fuck. How ridiculous is that?
Fantrax hopefully solves the issue of how time consuming things are like updating the board for every little thing. But you need to keep guys engaged past December and changing a stat category isn't the answer.
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Post by Jeff on Aug 9, 2016 14:45:02 GMT -5
commish update coming for all 16 Franchises, reminder this league I created was to have some fun, talk hockey & smack and be GM "Fantasy" so not always mirror image of the NHL...and win a few bucks, and enjoy the draft day party and hopefully other events down the road !!
1. finalize Draft Date 11th or 18th (texting all members if not heard from)
2. league vote on format options for the 16-17 season (can be reviewed after year 1 only)
3. and the rest for the 2017 Season
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Post by grasser on Aug 10, 2016 21:44:25 GMT -5
The little things are what will be the death of the league though. Not living in Port you guys don't hear the group talking about change. The guys at the top don't want change. And rightfully so. Why would they when their teams are always in the top 5. If something doesn't change it won't just be one or two teams that drop out. You're looking at multiple teams talking about it. You just don't hear it not living around here. Guys just aren't having as much fun as once before so something needs to happen. Goalies are an issue. One good goalie can win the league or cost you eg coachs team last year. It's weighted terribly. That doesn't happen in the offensive category. Having Crosby only. Or Kane. Or whoever isn't going to win the league alone. The rest of your team has to also be performing. Yet you could have the best goalie in the league and win it based on that with a middle of the pack team. The main issue though being that the league is decided for the most part by December. There's still 4 months left at that point and by then half the league stops giving a flying fuck. How ridiculous is that? Fantrax hopefully solves the issue of how time consuming things are like updating the board for every little thing. But you need to keep guys engaged past December and changing a stat category isn't the answer. I'm perfectly fine with change - just not with goalies. We made changes for it already. I finished 9th then 12th then 1st because I did something about it and didn't just sit and complain that it was over by Christmas and state we need to alter the league to accommodate my team. Your/other guys arguement that a goalie can win you the league with a mediocre team of players would be my exact defence to it. You don't need an all star cast of skaters to have a shot at winning. Isn't that an ideal situation? There are more than 16 good to great goalies in the NHL and even more if you include prospects. Guys should be using their assets to trade for one. I traded something like 5 picks and whatever else to add Jones to Bishop at the draft to help solidify my goalie tandem in hopes of having a shot. If Bishop had gone down to injury - who knows what would have happened... Goalie categories aren't the real issue there's a gap and the league is over by Christmas. Participation and the lack of an active pursuit of bettering your roster/lack of willing trade partners are. Anyway, here's to a better and more competitive future of the SFHL... Jist one that keeps its goalie stats in tact 😉 |
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Post by mur on Aug 11, 2016 0:19:37 GMT -5
i wasn't saying goalie stats are the reason the league is over by Christmas. I likely didn't get that across the way I wanted to in my post. Just in general, you pretty much know by then if you're in or out by that point in time. Like Roach said, this makes the 2nd half of the season less fun. I don't have the answer on how to get everyone to even participate 80% of the time, (remember I used to be one of the worst for this). I also don't know if any changes to the league format will change that either.
The goalie topic is a totally different one. ie 20 player spots = 112 points, 2 goalie spots = 64 points. So yes, having one of the top goalies (and decent backup) with a middle of the pack team can be a huge factor in the end. It's not complaining, it's a fact that our system is weighted in favour of goaltending. I was a prime example of it working in my favour once I landed Luongo last year. I think I moved up 3 or 4 spots just from him. I just don't think it should be so heavily weighted that way for goaltending, that is all. You likely wouldn't be able to jump 3 or 4 spots in two months with Crosby, or McDavid or Benn or any one skater position. You need a full roster of skaters to all perform. With goalies you just need one guy to be hot for a couple of weeks.
Anyways, I don't really care what we do. I'll just do what we do at work. Put our heads down and try to do a good job and then bitch about the issues behind the bosses back. Bosses don't like to hear about issues the guys talk about anyways even though they ask if people have any concerns. Makes everyones life easier. Also the beer seems to flow better at beer fund during these conversations.
I'll just keep playing and making my terrible moves (not Melcher worthy, but a very close second) and forget I even commented on this.
Go SFHL
Edit. (I'm really just blabbing for the sake of it. Let's get this sorted out )
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Post by melcher on Aug 11, 2016 7:03:13 GMT -5
Whaaaaaat? ! By Melcher worthy I assume you mean moves that end up being winners in the long run, but GMs don't see right away....and complain about it to no end
I paid a kings ransom for Crawford and Mrazek, yes. But, as Grass said for him, I solidified my tenders as well.
I say go back to starting both goalies. That way it is a balance of both, and one great goalie won't do it all.
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Post by mur on Aug 11, 2016 7:35:53 GMT -5
Whaaaaaat? ! By Melcher worthy I assume you mean moves that end up being winners in the long run, but GMs don't see right away....and complain about it to no end I paid a kings ransom for Crawford and Mrazek, yes. But, as Grass said for him, I solidified my tenders as well. I say go back to starting both goalies. That way it is a balance of both, and one great goalie won't do it all. Haha. That's exactly what I meant. |
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