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Post by cam on Nov 16, 2010 21:02:42 GMT -5
Moments after signing D Lubomir Visnovsky, the Canucks have dealt the veteran blueliner to the Jets. How the deal breaks down:
To Winnipeg:
Lubomir Visnovsky - D 1 way 5.6 mil 5.0 mil in cap relief
To Vancouver:
Cody Hodgson - C 2-way prospect, .875 mil Jay Harrison - 2 way .5 mil
The Canucks assign Harrison the the big club. The Jets send down Toariana (2 way .507 mil).
Canucks new cap - 62.29 mil Jets new cap - 64.11 mil
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Post by rack55 on Nov 16, 2010 21:15:30 GMT -5
As per league rules (Brian Burke Rule) the team TRADING the player must take on salary in 500k increments, with the team RECEIVING the player picking up the rest, with a minimum of 500k needed to be picked up by the new team. Canucks will have to take on just 5.0M for this to work here.
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Post by cam on Nov 16, 2010 21:17:04 GMT -5
ah.. ok, i thought that might be the case. i'll make the adjustment by updating the msg.
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Post by Jeff on Nov 16, 2010 21:41:39 GMT -5
Hold on a second, rack caught the "Brian Burke Salary Rule" and there is another rule that was missed by the jets and cancuks. The rule falls under the rental player tag, The player must register on the team log when signed as a free agent before being traded.
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A. TRADES (20 soft cap) 4) The league will not tolerlate "Rental Player" trades, in by trading a player this season and getting the same player in an off-season trade. When teams make a Free Agent Signing the player signed must be listed on the team log.before being traded Example [ must register 1gp on the lineup] *************************** I will also go into detail regarding this rule, it was put in place so teams didnt sign players that they were never going to play/keep. It has more too do with another team asking them to signed the player so they can deal them (under the rental agreement sort of speak). Its suppose to keep the bottom teams from signing a bunch of high cap hit players then trading them too the Elite/Top Teams of the SFHL
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Post by cam on Nov 16, 2010 22:00:36 GMT -5
fair enough, trade cancelled...
The trade was modified by .1 mil for the Burke rule. Now Visnovsky will remain on the Canucks roster until further notice.
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Post by coach on Nov 16, 2010 22:52:31 GMT -5
Fair enough, I guess it is a rule, an extremely gay and pointless one but there it is. A question that came up in converastion??? What is the difference between this deal and the Lidstrom deal? Seems like commish Virgo applies the rules with the same consistency as Colin Campbell...
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Post by Jeff on Nov 16, 2010 22:57:54 GMT -5
Sign & Trade deal, thats the reason, it took all 11mins for Cam and you too make this trade, too me its saying something, which is find but thats why we put in the no sign and trade rule stating the player must register a gm with the team signing him......Lidstrom was a ufa draft , not a free agent signing...
Yah I just order the Colin Campbell handbook of Deals in the hockeys op department the correct ruling way and your way...good little read
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Post by coach on Nov 16, 2010 23:07:41 GMT -5
The Lidstrom deal was essentially the same thing. He was drafted only to be traded with cap. Which was a smart move by a team thats contending and also a good move by a "building GM". That rule is pointless and doesn't do anything to stop "rental players", which in my view isn't a bad thing.
Its a good thing Commish Virgo doesn't have a son in the league.
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Post by rack55 on Nov 16, 2010 23:14:50 GMT -5
Well boys, whether you like the rule or not, there it is... let him play a game for the Canucks then make the move. I don't get it though... this isn't a 'rental player'. It is a sign & trade, but this has happened in the past with no reprecussions, no?
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Post by Jeff on Nov 16, 2010 23:14:51 GMT -5
Yes and No, Lidstrom was drafted and 14out15 gms could of made a move for him...But here it looks like the canucks signed Visnoksy on the Jets wishes.....or yes maybe its a stupid rule the sign and trade but it was put in place more to make teams make the proper roster moves to first get the player onto ones roster ( yes as cam has done) then if he wish so to trade said player (agian what cam has done) so maybe this Sign and Trade Ruling can be tinker in a way as cam has done that this trade can be in the Approval State....the Commish Office, just for one doesnt like seeing this moves done for one so early in the season
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Post by markb on Nov 16, 2010 23:16:27 GMT -5
Im in agreement with Coach.. once I saw the trade was cancelled.. I automatically thought of the Lidstrom trade at the draft... and how do we know that Cam just drafted Lidstrom to then immediateley move him to the Red Wings....
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Post by coach on Nov 16, 2010 23:19:23 GMT -5
I agree a rules a rule, maybe something to re-visit in the off-season as I don't see any benefit from this rule. This rule doesn't stop anything, just delays a trade a day.
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Post by cam on Nov 16, 2010 23:24:11 GMT -5
i'd wait to make a similar move later in the season but i would not get the same value.
Also, just to clarify, similar moves continue to be offered to me on a regular basis by many gms. If this is not a type of trade that is encouraged by the league, then prehaps there needs to be further discussion. For me, I'm finding it very challenging to build a team based on the expansion rules. I'm trying to be as creative as posible here, while working within the rules.
Will this trade be approved after Visnovsky plays a game with the Canucks?
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Post by coach on Nov 16, 2010 23:25:45 GMT -5
Not to be a prick, okay maybe to be a prick, can the fatcats at league office look at re-approving this deal as Lubs was picked up in Yahoo and inserted into the Nucks at 8:41 for a 10:00 start. Thus playing his one game, thus making the Canucks (Log), thus making him elegible to be traded, thus wasting a good hour of my life.
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Post by kooch on Nov 16, 2010 23:27:21 GMT -5
thus
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